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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.26 01:43:00 -
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To those advocating the removal of concord from incursion systems:
Do you honestly think that people will still do them? I'm seriously asking. To me it seems pants on head ******** to go to a series of (effectively) lowsec systems with such easy access to highsec and almost guaranteed to be camped to hell. Anyone with half a brain who still had any interest in them would probably be better off doing the incursions in normal lowsec than trying to PvE in the gankfest those locations would become.
This is of course ignoring the technical difficulty which could be involved in making sec status and penalties dynamic in the first place. Add to that the implications on highsec route plotting/auto piloting. The concept seems simple but I'd be willing to bet the implementation is anything but. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.04.26 21:05:00 -
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Xorv wrote:DJ N00B wrote:
CCP, you stated that incursions were one of the best things to come to eve and that community aspect was something you wanted to maintain. Then you turn around and destroy it. GREAT JOB CCP!
Perhaps they pulled head from ass and realized Incursions were actually one of the worst thing they had ever added to EVE. Also as evidenced by all the whines it was mostly about the risk free fountain of ISK not any community BS. DJ N00B wrote:
- Those fleets that are running have got wait lists so long that most people end up dropping off before they even get into a fleet, and those people will likely end up just giving up on incursions all together becuase it just takes too long to get in to a fleet.
So there's lots of players waiting to get in an exiting fleet rather than taking the initiative and forming their own with all these others waiting?
If incursion runners where the only ones to ever complain when they had their income nerfed then your point might be valid, but amongst any group there are people who participate for the isk. When the isk is gone they leave. Regardless of how much enjoyment is there, if it doesn't pay the bills it's not worth doing for them. It was obvious if incursions were nerfed this would happen, but it needed to be done. But if it's lower than other isk in highsec then we come to a situation where you are effectively taking a hit by doing them. So you have to choose, PvE that is less boring and more social than other PvE but makes you less (assuming you are somewhat efficient at missions and can beat the 30-40m/h numbers people are giving now) or do more boring PvE but get more out of it and have to do it less to get to the aspects you truly enjoy.
Taking that into account it makes sense that people would leave even if they did like them. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.04.26 22:55:00 -
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Myz Toyou wrote:Just stealing a quote from a different thread:
"Despite the numerous claims that Incursions were all about the social aspect and fleeting up and having fun, nobody wants to run them now that they don't pay as well and people might actually lose ships."
How can you loose ships now that they are easier, though much longer, than they were before? |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.04.26 23:37:00 -
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Templar Nato wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Myz Toyou wrote:Just stealing a quote from a different thread:
"Despite the numerous claims that Incursions were all about the social aspect and fleeting up and having fun, nobody wants to run them now that they don't pay as well and people might actually lose ships." How can you loose ships now that they are easier, though much longer, than they were before? The Incursion nerf made the sites harder, not easier. Not sure where you're getting your information from.
Apparently not the same source your info is coming from. I've been hearing that they are just longer from a VG perspective. Don't know anyone who runs assaults, but to that point I suppose I am at folly for using hearsay instead of going out and finding the results directly. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.05.01 00:15:00 -
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CCP Affinity wrote:We did dev blog about it, put it in patch notes and tell all the players the changes were on SISI, then we monitored the feedback and made changes again according to the feedback received from the Incursion community :) Bettik and I will continue to monitor the feedback and stats
Might it be possible to obtain some idea of the degree which it was intended for incursion, particularly VG income, to come down? And were the benchmarks used the average fleet or "shiny fleet" setups (or are those the average now)? |
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